Yes, actually as a landlord of condos, I have noticed an increase number of families not only interested in renting small condos (under 1000 sf), and seen more families in general moving into these communities. The economy is forcing families to downsize. I am surprised to how they do it, and unfortunately in some cases, the increased kids in the neighborhood cause more damage and wear on the community. Unfortunately I am not aware of anything that can be done. Except in some cases condo rules say there is a maximum number of people allowed to reside in one condo..you should check your condo rules.
Most communities have regulations that specify how many folks can occupy various sized living quarters. Check with your municipality, county or stae regulations.
I read your comment and it is very unfortunate for these families to have to move into smaller units. This must be very difficult for them. I'm sure they don't enjoy having to do this. I don't understand the war on kids that seems to have been launched in this country. I am 61 years old and I love spending time with my grand daughter....every minute of it! She and the other children in my complex bring me joy and make me feel like I'm not just waiting to die. The economy in this country is terrible and has made alot of people have to live in a way that they are not used to. Write to the congress and complain about the economy....don't wage your war on children who are just trying to play and have a good time!
Yes, I can see your point and I do understand it is tough times on everyone. I think to be honest, it has to do with the parents and the way the condo management runs the complex. I know my other property has TONS of kids, and the same kind of damage does not occur. It really depends on the situation.
I understand what you say about the economy, etc. but the Homeowners Association is not responsible for their financial problems.
The responsibility of the Association is to protect property values of the owners. Renters (and owners) must abide by the rules. Maybe the rules need to re-visited. Not riding your bicycle in the driveway seems a little strict. Putting your bike away after use is not.
Seeing HOA living as a "war on kids" is pretty narrow minded. The rules are to protect owners' investments.
HOA living is not for everyone and, unfortunately, landlords will rent to anyone just for the income.
Keep enforcing your rules. Usually any fines or penalties fall on the owner-landlord. Enforcing the rules might make them more responsible.
I agree families have had to make different living arrangements during these times. However, if they move into condos they should realize the rules and regulations that apply. Parents need to enforce these with their children. Living in a condo does not have the same freedoms as a single family home. It all comes down to respecting the residents that own and live there.
By discriminating against children, you are violating federal law. In MA that proved very expensive to an association. Children are our future. Your children got to play and be children. Why shouldn't these children?
I'm sorry, but I don't see my comments as narrow minded. The kids are our residents also, and as such, they are afforded the same rights as anyone else who lives in a community. Perhaps a meeting to sort some of these concerns out would be beneficial. Maybe a little cooperation and tolerance from all concerned would be more beneficial than calling people "narrow minded" for their comments. Name calling and character assasinations will get you no where. Sorry if I offended anyone else with my comments.
Whether families are renters or owners they must abide by the declarations and CC&Rs. Some condo complexes were just not built to provide plenty of play area for children yet their parents decide they will move in anyway. The board is only legally responsible to the owner of the unit and should not communicate with the renter or the owner's private property manager. It only causes a great deal of grief and misunderstanding. Treat each infraction as an owner violation that can incur a fine if not corrected. I love children too but I will not let my only investment devalue because the parents cannot teach their kids courtesy and respect. We don't allow children to play or ride their bikes in our condo streets and, in order to eliminate discrimination; we don't allow the adults to either. If the owners and their renters don't like the rules then elect a new set of board members!
renters and owners must follow condo bylaws and docks.
Yes, bicycles are fun and good exercise for kids. We now have renters whose kids rid their bikes in our parking lot. Our parking lot is for vehicle transit, not bikes. What if a kid gets hit when someone is driving or backing out of their garage. Fun is fun, but safety is safety.
I am the secretary of our condo board. Our complex has lea a than 20 units. Until the past two years all units were owned and occupied by families and we had few problems with people following the rules. Lately several units are being rented to students at a nearby university. We have had many problems with them that we can't seen to solve. They have loud parties with cars taking up all the guest parking and often parking in banned areas. They take over the pool, making it difficult for chidden and even adults to use it. Thar invite their friends to use the pool even when the renters are not present. Their friends do their laundry in the unit increasing the water use. The HOA pays for water. We have been told that by law we can't limit the number of occupants in one unit or limit occupancy to related people as this would be discrimination. One of our biggest problems is enforcing the rules we do have since we are such a small community. No one wants to have to do the dirty work. Even if we could limit the number of renters we can never be sure of how many students are actually occupying a unit since the invite their friends to stay there. We presently have five students renting and about 12 people actually staying in the unit. We don't know what to do about it. Calls to the police about noise gets little response. Tow companies refuse to tow illegally parked cars because our parking regulations are not city ordinances. Does anyone have any suggestions?
we hoa have found out our past president and property manager used our hoa attorney to file personsl quick claims for their
personal property. recorded in public records. should we confront the attorney or seek our own. this
president is working as an advisor to present president property manager is working for her as our secretary.please post
I started this string and appreciate everyone who has posted their point of view.
I do not appreciate calling this concern for the safety of childen,for those who might unintentionally hurt them, for the protection of financial investments and for the possible bankrupting of a community from a lawsuit to be a "war on children".
These people who feel they must have their children playing and riding bikes in the parking lots do so for and at their own convenience. It is the same children who were all riding, running, screaming through the streets while pitch black outside. Of course, this was happening without any parent/s in sight. We can't do anything about the parenting issue but at this point, if a child has to get hurt in order to have the parents "get it" I hope it is on the city street rather than in our parking lot.
I have to agree on not letting the kids ride their bikes on the parking lot. a delivery truck or some one backing out of a parking place can injure or kill a child. We are thank full that we are close to a bike path and a park.. For parties or excess noise we have a 10p.m. Quit tome, we give a call, if that don't work we notify the local P.D's the town has a 10p.m. Curfew ...............
wow really people are funny how can you complain about kids riding there bikes and them being on a porch its unreal and really its not about the kids about the person crying about the kids grow up and act like an adult i mean come on its sad that things would be able to get this far kids will be kids to tell them they cant ride there bike on the street so then you shouldnt be able to drive your car on the same street its your only investment well so are us parents trying to teach are kids to have fun play out side and stay active as far as owners go and renters CONDO RULES GO FOR EVERYONE !!!
the rules are set to make everyone happy no i feel that they are an invasion for someone who pays a lot of money for them not to be able to put the recycling in the front were its picked up..So were going to put it out back no its snowing so you have to clean of the bins and ether track it through the the house or try to fight your way through the snow no im going to keep it on the front porch where its covered and were the truck is going to pick it up in the front i think some of the rules are to much and the others help us live comfortably but when it becomes an issue for someone to live happily then we need to look in to what is going on to fix it for everone
Expecting kids and their parents to abide by legally placed condo rules about playing is not discrimination against the kids. That would be like saying that rules against leaving trash all over the complex is discrimination against sloppy people. Or that rules against loud noise is discrimination against people who like to make loud noise. If that were the case there could be no condo rules. Reasonable rules about what kids can do and not do is not discrimination. If anyone thinks it is he or she should take it up with the Condo board and see if others agree.
My upstairs neighbors decided to install hardwood or laminate flooring. They were suppose to get approval from the unit next to them and of course me below.They did get approval from her but came to me after the floors were installed.The morning the the workers arrived I went directly to the the president of our board and explained what was happening. He came to speak to them and he was told "sue me". So the floors were installed this has been over a year ago now and I have come to find out that there was another owner who had the same thing happen to her. The installation above was poorly done because the floors creak with every step they take. All noise be it conversation, washer,dryer is loud and clear. They do not even have the consideration of removing their shoes. I planned to remain because it will be affordable upon retirement but now it is a living hell. I cannot sell it as it stands and who would want to live in it with all noise the from above. I am a single mother paying tuition and cannot afford to hire an attorney or even move at this time. I have gone to the board and all I get is a lot of lip service such as we are going to fine them and I found out there is yet another victim of the hardwood floor nightmare but she was lucky enough to find a renter and moved out. This has begun to affect my health since my sleep is interrupted and I dread coming home every day. Sign me living in the pit of hell. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!
To all the commenters who think you can make rules that will disproportionately affect children and get away with your discriminatory rules because you don't use the word children in the rule will lose in court. The laws looks at who the rule will affect and always will favor the children and famiy rights. Covered by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which is a federal law and must be followed, it supersedes any Condo/HOA rules. Parents don't be intimidated by HOA's's that try to get away with discrimination against your kids they have the right t grow and play without being harassed by an HOA.