To begin with we have (Florida) what is considered gated. You use a remote to open the gate. The drawback is sometimes deliveries can not be made. What makes you think a gated community will stop break-ins. It may stop car theft but even then not worth it.The gate for walk-ins is broke at times and then you wait for someone to open the gate from the inside.
I do not live in a gated community; however, from what I've heard it's more trouble than it's worth.
1)Being gated does not mean totally no crime.
2)High maint. on the gates means higher operating expenses.
3)When you enter your community is there enough room for cars to stop to enter the gate w/o causing a safety issue on the main street.
4)your streets must now be private, meaning the assn. will be resp. for maintaining them which is very, very costly.
Just a few of the drawbacks, all of which should be thoroughly researched before making a decision.
Since you are looking for opinions, I believe that anything that makes it more difficult for a would-be robber to commit a crime will make him/her try an easier target, and forgo your community. However, there is no way to eliminate crime altogether and a professional that knows what he wants, will evade any system.
As a property manager, you must consider the following:
1) The initial expense of the project. Unless you are erecting a wall or fence around the entire property, you may be wasting your money by installing a gate at the main entrance. A proper gating system could be quite expensive,and would require the complete support of all the owners.
2) Most gated communities have personnel at the entrance to let in visitors and deliveries. Add the expense of the project, ongoing wages for +/-168 man-hours per week.
3) Systems need maintenance and repair. If it’s not working properly, it’s of no use, and will frustrate owners.
4) Even if you include maintenance in your budget, don’t forget to increase your reserves, as now you have another common element that will eventually need to be replaced.
5) Some municipalities have laws regarding gated communities as they may impede emergency vehicles. Check with your local police and building departments etc.
6) Consider your property manager. If the property is large and/or does not allow for the perimeter to be inspected by car etc., your property manager will periodically need to walk the entire fence to make sure it hasn’t been breached etc.. Even so, how often can this realistically be done? Is this the best use of his/her time? Would it be included in your management or employment contract? If not, add some additional expense here.
7) Would creating a gated community increase your liability? Consult your attorney and/or insurance agent.
In theory, a gated community is great, and I wish I lived in one. The expense however goes well beyond the initial project cost. Additional lighting may be appropriate. Although this is not free and does includes several of the above factors (maintenance, repair, cost of electric); it may be an easier project to sell to the owners.
Best of luck.
A Berlin Wall din't stop people from crossing the border, what makes you think that your fence will stop someone. I would argue that it would actually provide a false sense of security and lower owner's guard and awareness.
That's not to say that a making it a gated community is not a good idea. It will probably increase value of your property and make it more appealing for buyer
I live in a gated community next to a college in CA. The only reason for the gates was probably to keep college students out. They do still manage to follow other cars in and park to avoid parking costs at the college, but only a few do it. Our gates do not have personnel. The gates do come at a cost, as some stupid folk try to drive in the wrong way when they can't get in and will damage the gate, causing high costs for repair. Average cost probably between 2 to 5K per year for 2 gates. Our property was originally built as a gated community. I will say though that crime is not much of an issue here. I know a lot of my neighbors and none of them have ever complained about crime. Or maybe it's because there isn't much crime in our area? But cars do just follow in other cars that do have the opener/access. So I don't believe the gates keep out those that really want to get in. I will say though that the walking gates are also locked, requiring a key for access. That helps too.
Have you met with you local police force? Establish a relationship with them, it will make a difference. They will up patrol, make recommendations. It is worth a try.
Thank you all for input.
The majority of our issues have been thefts of cars and or car wheels. Little of much else, that we know of. We have talked with the Police and their suggestion is a neighborhood watch. Problem is, getting co-owners on board with that.
Streets are already private, per our Association guidelines of being a site-condo (COA), basically single family homes in an Association. Not sure on how it differs from a HOA.
From what is being said, two major drawbacks are costs (initial and upkeep) and deliveries.
Without starting a new thread in the blog..
What about security cameras? Do any of you have them set up? Advantages or dis-advantages??
For you Crime Watch be careful who does the watching. Check the murder of young man by the crime watch monitor in Sanford Florida. Being a community you might be libel.
If you are having a number of theft it sounds like a good ideal. The expense and upkeep is a big though.I like the ideal to met with local police. You can establish a watch committee.
Gates are usually both good and bad. If unmanned, there will be broken gate arms as some drivers will attempt to slip in behind other cars, or drivers will go too fast or slow. Once broken, there is effectively no gate. Cameras are fine but DVRs have limited storage & require maintenance, IP feeds, etc. Most cameras can also be easily disabled with a towel or piece of tape. Penalties for unauthorized entries are difficult to enforce, as not all drivers can be easily viewed with cameras, and people sometimes drive vehicles that are not their own, license plate photos are not always that helpful either, as they prove nothing with regard to who is in the vehicle.
We setteled on a system with a reader device on owner vehicles that was mounted on the windshield. When we used codes that needed to be entered at the gate, they became a joke & were readily available at the local high school, despite rules to the contrary in the CC&Rs.
I suggest you define what you are hoping to accomplish with the gates, then lower your expectations. There are definately trade offs. Emergency vehicles cannot be impeded. If the goal is not to have anyone who is not authorized in the community, legit vendors needing access to homes that may actually be unoccupied at the time of the visit, teen guests with multiple friends in the neighborhood and other scenarios create situations that are far from seamless. Cyclists and pedestrians create other scenarios that leave much to be desired from a security standpoint. That said, cameras and gates may discourage petty criminals and reduce area traffic to a great extent.
Wow, kinda surprised at the negativity from this post! We are gated and wouldn't have it any other way! Granted, we are just one 26-unit building and we have no streets involved, but it is well worth it to us. Our garage gate mechanism was replaced 5 years ago and we have had nearly zero maintenance costs on it (we have routine service once a year and that costs about $250). Our new front entry system (which was less than $2,000!) works with cell phones so you can grant access to a delivery person even if you are not on the property. And because we're gated, packages are safely left at your door. We are very strict about doors never being propped open and we have very little problems with that (likely because we're only 26 units and we're only one bldg). So while this would be more complicated for a larger complex, our residents and our property are very secure and, in our 22 years since the complex was built, we have had zero car thefts from our gated garage. And given that San Diego is the car theft capital of the world (because of the nearby border with Mexico), that's really remarkable! And, of course, the bonus benefit - not solicitors at your door! Good luck!
Bette Cessna, Sunset Views HOA, San Diego
Our area goes through cycles of roving theives. The PD usually can predict who the perps are by when they are released from jail (which is also in the vicinity). Our gates don't impede their progess and the homeowners have failed to participate in a community watch group. The board wanted to place cameras in strategic outdoor areas but found that to be costly and in demand of constant attention. We did, however, mount cameras in the common areas like the cabana, pool area and front gate entrance. Boy, did that cut down vandalism and idiots who like to use their cars to push open the gates. It was a dramatic change so I recommend cameras if you have nasty homeowners who like to "get even" by vandalizing common area assets. The cameras, high speed bumps, and vigilence have also cut way down on speeding cars (another ongoing problem). I feel for you. It is hard to sleep at night when you feel vulnerable to thieves.
Just wanted to say thanks for the great info on this subject! Our association is/was also considering installing gates because of crime problems and to keep people from the apartment complex accross the street (we share a common access road) from cutting thru our property). One thing we were advised not to do is put up fake cameras and/or put up a sign that we do have cameras when we don't. I have a feeling it might be just too expensive since we would need 4 gates including parking areas.
Betty- would you happen to know what your approx initial costs was for the gate?
I have always lived in gated communities since I moved out of the country and into/near a city. I highly recommend it! In my opinion it keeps out your basic rif raf. Keep in mind though if someone really wants to get in they will find a way. But at least it keeps your community private and when things are unusual you notice it more because of the presence that is set with the gate and fence.
It comes down to safety vs. cost. It will probably be safer but the cost over all will be rather high. If you at least get a really good gate system at the beginning you could save money on gate operations. Toronto
has a few companies that have some really good guarantees - just bringing it up.
I think many people would enjoy and appreciate living in a gated community. You would need to look at how much it cost for fence installation, though. Depending on the size and everything, it can get pricey. Weigh the pros and cons to decide what would be best.
Shelly Slader | http://www.leadersfence.com
What do you expect to accomplish?
1. you are trying to open the gate and your battery is dead
2. Will not stop from being robbed of items in car.
3. Gate broke and can't get in
4. How do you expect deliveries.
5. Control gets stolen when shopping.
I have a gated pool, and I love the privacy. I assume it would be the same with a house. Getting those fences would give you plenty of alone time.
I would recommend putting up a fence around the entire community. Turning yourself into a gated community could be really costly though. A nice high fence could help provide a safer atmosphere. http://www.braccifence.com
Fences help with security. Gated communities help reduce criminal activity. However, it's kind of difficult for visitors.
I'll admit, I love living in a gated community. My wife and I have been there for 5 years. We do miss taking care of our own lawn like we used to though.
Talmage Dangerfield | http://www.everlastingfence.com
One drawback to putting a fence around the community is that you either need a system or person to open the gate for people when the come into the complex. My brother lives in a gated community and it's really difficult to get into the area when it's late at night or early in the morning. This is inconvenient if any of your tenants travel and arrive home at these times.
Claudia Rosenburg | http://www.everlastingfence.com
I think that there are more advantages than disadvantages to fencing a community. You have more control over who enters your community. And safety definitely goes up. http://www.lynxfence.com
I think it really is up to you. There are benefits of living in a gated community. I enjoy having that sense of security every night when I go to sleep.
Edmond Vandergraff | http://www.braccifence.com
I do agree with some of these posts, it will need to be well thought out. I can see both sides to why it would be good and why it wouldn't. I personally think that it would be a good idea.
Lana Lynch | http://www.rent-a-fence.com/
I have lived thru both non-gate and gated. And approx. 20 years of both. I find that the pro and cons would be equal. The main point is do you feel safer, then go for it.
We recently moved into a gated community and I love it. The gates are kept open during the day and close at 9pm at which point you need a remote or a key code to enter. The roadside areas have aluminum fencing and the back of the community, which backs up to a neighborhood park has chain link fencing. I like that the chain link does not obstruct our view from the back yard, I can easily keep an eye on my kids if they are at the play ground. http://www.qualitychainlinkfencing.ca/services.html
Living in a gated community provides for a lot more privacy. I personally enjoy living in a place where cars can't come barreling through at 8 mph. It just really makes me feel better about letting my kids play outside. http://www.landmarkfence.com
It sounds like the streets will probably be your biggest expense. In a gated community, you will be responsible for the maintenance and upkeep of the streets within the walls. It sounds like you simply want a fence to stop crime. Rather than turning the condos into a gated community, simply built a fence and install more security measures.
Jenn | http://www.americansecuredfence.com
I have never actually lived in a gated community before, but have always thought it would be nice. I wonder how long it would take to put a fence up all of the way around the entire condo complex. I personally don't think it would be worth it to do all of that extra work. http://www.securityfencesystems.com/commercial.php
My grandma used to live in a gated community. It was really nice because she had a big fence that ran behind her condo. Whenever it would get damaged the HOA would pay for someone to come out and repair it. http://www.braccifence.com
Fencing an entire community like that has both pros and cons. It does make things safer, but that much fencing can be expensive. If the balance is worth it (raised fees and dues), then go ahead and fence it off. Just make sure you know what you're getting into.
Marc | http://www.pacificfence.com/
If you really want to turn your condos into a gated community, then I don't think deliveries are going to be a problem. There are plenty of delivery companies you could authorize to come through the gates, and you could give your code out to those companies. I'm sure it would be much less of a problem than some people are thinking. http://www.ccdeliveries.com/
If you do decide to turn it into a gated community you'd better get a strong iron fence to put around it. You either have to go all of the way, or don't do anything. I've seen some gated communities that wanted half of the community to have a fence around it, and no one really respected the fact that it was even a private community. http://www.odi-tampa.com/aboutus.html
Living in a gated community can be really nice, if everyone respects the rules. You're going to need a great fencing company to put in that much fence though. Having a fence all of the way around your entire complex can take a while to put in. http://www.securityfencesystems.com/commercial.php
I disagree with Jennifer. The deliveries could be a major problem. It seem dangerous to give the codes out to multiple companies, and it defeats the purpose of security. A gated community will cause a lot of problems no matter what the delivery is. It's not worth the inconvenience. http://www.baystatefueloil.com/services.php
I agree with Tony on this one, putting up that much square footage of fence all at once can take quite a while. I hope that you are able to get the whole project done at one time. It would be really a pain to have a gated community that is only halfway gated in. http://www.leadersfence.com
I can agree that putting up fences can be one of the hardest jobs that there is. Once you start putting a fence all of the way around the whole community, make sure that you have enough resources to finish the job. You won't regret living in a gated community though, it is so much more quiet. http://www.outdoorfence.com/residential/residential-fencing/
You have to realize that putting up a wooden fence is usually a bit more work, but they still look great. I don't know if you are planning on putting up a fence around the entire community or just a gate at each of the entrances though. But I can agree that living in a gated community is so nice, and makes you feel so much more secure. http://www.citywidefence.com/fences_cedar.php
Fenced communities can add an extra level of comfort to your living space. I like the peace of mind that comes with the security. It makes me feel safe.
Jim Tracy | http://www.citywidefence.com/fences_vinyl.php
I would definitely recommend a fenced community. It allows a sense of security in the neighborhood. I know if has cut down the traffic of the boys in my neighborhood through my yard. http://www.rent-a-fence.com/
I think you might be able to get thefts to go down, but that's a lot of money to install a fence. I think you could prioritize what you decide to fence, like the pool or something, would be a good idea. I don't think it would decrease the thefts by much. http://www.poolfencephoenix.com/products
I think it might be annoying to have the whole condo community gated off. That means you need to get someone to man the gate, and if anyone in the condo area wanted visitors it would be a problem. I think a gates more of a hassle than it's worth. http://www.holmanfence.com
I think the only thing you should gate is your pool. It really makes sense to put a fence around it. You wouldn't want any accidents. Personally I don't think a fence would stop people from robbing the condos. http://www.ccpoolfencing.com.au
Vinyl fencing looks beautiful in all kinds of yards and with all kinds of landscaping. My husband and I just bought a house and I would love to have some vinyl fencing in my yard! We just have to decide which color would look best with the color scheme of our new house, there are so many options! http://www.alliedfencetampa.com/vinyl.php
Fences are helpful for many reasons. Security is a major reason to install a fence. It can help with theft, but also give you more privacy when you are in the backyard. I am a person with a lot of pets so a fence is also helpful to keep the pets close and still be able to run around when they are not on a leash. I think there are far more advantages than disadvantages.
Jane Abbott | http://www.djfencellc.com/services.html
We have both security fence and cameras. The crooks still come in and the security camera is great catching the owners who do not obey the rules and regulations
I think that is a great idea because it allows privacy. On top of privacy it makes your yard look better in my opinion. One thing that will keep you safe from burglars is having a dog within that fence because in my experience with door to door sales I always avoided houses with gated yards and big dogs. http://www.pacificfence.com/
I wouldn't want a gate around the entire community, but I would like one leading to my driveway. I think that it would look really nice, and it would make a lot more sense. Those gated communities really aren't that hard for just anyone to get into. http://www.automatedgateservices.com
I think the gated community would help decrease the thefts. It might be a hassle to do the gate thing with all the residents, though. I would make sure everyone is on board, though, because it can only really work if everyone is okay with the fencing. http://www.lynxfence.com/locations.html
I think finding a condo in a gated community is a good idea. Even just a small fence around it will keep strangers out. It makes it a lot safer for families that have small children. http://www.braccifence.com
I think fencing your community would do a lot of good. You could potentially lower the amount of thefts you have in the neighborhood. I think it would be beneficial for everyone in the condo community. http://www.braccifence.com
I think being in a gated community is a great idea. We had a condo that was in a gated community and it just felt safer. Honestly I don't know if it was actually safer, but it felt that way and the fencing they put up went well with the landscaping. It wouldn't hurt to get a quote on the fencing, a lot of companies will do the estimate for free. http://www.alpinefenceglenview.com
Some people say they're white trashy, but I personally love chain link fences. Like many of you have said, I love that they don't obstruct your vision. My friend recently put up a chain link fence because too many of his pet badgers kept getting out. I still need to replace that bike tire. http://www.paradisefencing.com/chain.html
Turning it into a fenced community is a great idea. It should instantly improve the security and privacy. This is what I would prefer most. http://www.collierfence.com
I think a gated community would be a good idea. There are a lot of different fencing options you can look at. I would just keep your options open. I know they have pvc, vinyl, and a few other materials you could look at. http://www.yorkfence.com
I think having fences is always a really nice option for a home. That way, you don't have animals getting in and it is more secure. I think it also helps the home to look a bit neater and nicer. I think that in your situation it would be a great idea, especially with your security problems. http://www.trejosironworks.com
Florida Gated Condominium.
We have had a car lose all 4 tires
and the gate was closed.
We have had auto windows broken
and the gate was closed.
Cars broken into, gate control gone
and the gate was closed.
So don't put complete faith in the fence/gate
That might be kind of a pain because you would have to get a gate opener for everyone in the complex. Either that, or you would have to have some kind of key code security lock. It's really up to you though. http://www.rutfencing.com/products/
I think the condo association should replace the windows if they are requiring it. I don't think they should be able to make you replace your windows. It doesn't make any sense for you to have to pay for something like that. I'm pretty sure the condo has funds for these kinds of projects. http://www.southlandexteriors.net
It would only be beneficial to turn it into a gated community if you get a good security system. What is the point of building a gate, if someone can easily jump over it. This would really be a great way to help all of the residents feel more secure at night though. http://www.miamifloridahomesecurity.com/articles_9.html
I think that in some cases it may be best to get some gates and fences. In my complex, we have fences and it helps to keep everyone's things in their own space, and it is more secure. We are about to get the fences replaced to help make sure it is all secure, and we will be getting chain link fences. I think it will be a great way to keep everything enclosed. http://www.avalonfencing.com/en/chain_link_fencing.html
I really like the idea of a gated community. But maybe that's just the mother coming out in me. I think its safer and looks more professional to have a gated community. http://www.incomweldinghawaii.com/services
Fences are good especially for establishing boundaries in yards, but they don't make a huge difference in security. However, I would definitely say that getting fences is beneficial for other reasons. I've lived in a gated community and I liked having that much more than no fences at all. http://www.rhinofenceandrail.com
I agree with Skylar that fences are good for boundaries of yards, but they don't really do much for security. It's still good to get fencing, but I don't think the theft numbers are going to go down by much. There might be better options for the condo association to look at. They could get in contact with a security company and set something up in addition to the fencing. http://www.pvcultimatefencing.com.au
Some advantages would include increased protection and even better property values. Disadvantages might include first and foremost cost, then possible problems. How are residents going to get in and out? where will you have entrances? Be sure to consider as much as you can before fencing
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You will probably need to get a fence contractor out to help you out first of all. Turning your condo association into a gated community is a really great idea in my opinion. It will help everyone to feel so much more secure while inside. http://www.surelinefencing.com.au
What is the biggest change for your condo? The regulations that go with being a gated community, or the actual fence? A fence and gate is a great idea to cut down crime. Any contractor can discuss possible types and looks for the fence before you make any decisions. It doesn't hurt to consider the idea, even if you end up changing your mind.
Jenn | http://www.conceptfencing.net.au
If you decide to make it a gated community, you're going to need one of those automatic gates. It will make it so much more convenient for the tenants to not have to get out of their car just to open the gate. You'll probably want to get a key code or something to lock it though. http://www.craftsmanfencing.com.au/pr_security.htm
You are definitely going to want a strong steel gate if you decide to make it a gated community. I agree with Tony though, it would be really nice to have a security code that opens the gate automatically. That will really make everything more convenient for all of your tenants. http://www.supersteelaust.com.au
I know that condos usually fence their pool area, because it's required by law, but they aren't gated communities. It might help with the security of the condos, but that's a pretty expensive investment. I would just have the pool area fenced, for safety reasons, and leave the rest of the community un-gated unless you start having problems. http://www.jcfence.com
I think it's definitely the better option to have a gated and fenced community. It just seems safer overall. I used to live in a condo that wasn't gated. We had break-ins and robberies all the time. The one I live in now is fenced in and I don't have problems anymore. http://www.gatesventura.com/Fencing-Products-Ventura-CA.html
You could turn the condos into a gated community. I think you'd need to get a fencing contractor and some sort of security company. If everyone agrees the condo association should start working on plans to make it a gated community. http://everytypefencing.com/about