To begin with we have (Florida) what is considered gated. You use a remote to open the gate. The drawback is sometimes deliveries can not be made. What makes you think a gated community will stop break-ins. It may stop car theft but even then not worth it.The gate for walk-ins is broke at times and then you wait for someone to open the gate from the inside.
I do not live in a gated community; however, from what I've heard it's more trouble than it's worth.
1)Being gated does not mean totally no crime.
2)High maint. on the gates means higher operating expenses.
3)When you enter your community is there enough room for cars to stop to enter the gate w/o causing a safety issue on the main street.
4)your streets must now be private, meaning the assn. will be resp. for maintaining them which is very, very costly.
Just a few of the drawbacks, all of which should be thoroughly researched before making a decision.
Since you are looking for opinions, I believe that anything that makes it more difficult for a would-be robber to commit a crime will make him/her try an easier target, and forgo your community. However, there is no way to eliminate crime altogether and a professional that knows what he wants, will evade any system.
As a property manager, you must consider the following:
1) The initial expense of the project. Unless you are erecting a wall or fence around the entire property, you may be wasting your money by installing a gate at the main entrance. A proper gating system could be quite expensive,and would require the complete support of all the owners.
2) Most gated communities have personnel at the entrance to let in visitors and deliveries. Add the expense of the project, ongoing wages for +/-168 man-hours per week.
3) Systems need maintenance and repair. If it’s not working properly, it’s of no use, and will frustrate owners.
4) Even if you include maintenance in your budget, don’t forget to increase your reserves, as now you have another common element that will eventually need to be replaced.
5) Some municipalities have laws regarding gated communities as they may impede emergency vehicles. Check with your local police and building departments etc.
6) Consider your property manager. If the property is large and/or does not allow for the perimeter to be inspected by car etc., your property manager will periodically need to walk the entire fence to make sure it hasn’t been breached etc.. Even so, how often can this realistically be done? Is this the best use of his/her time? Would it be included in your management or employment contract? If not, add some additional expense here.
7) Would creating a gated community increase your liability? Consult your attorney and/or insurance agent.
In theory, a gated community is great, and I wish I lived in one. The expense however goes well beyond the initial project cost. Additional lighting may be appropriate. Although this is not free and does includes several of the above factors (maintenance, repair, cost of electric); it may be an easier project to sell to the owners.
Best of luck.
A Berlin Wall din't stop people from crossing the border, what makes you think that your fence will stop someone. I would argue that it would actually provide a false sense of security and lower owner's guard and awareness.
That's not to say that a making it a gated community is not a good idea. It will probably increase value of your property and make it more appealing for buyer
I live in a gated community next to a college in CA. The only reason for the gates was probably to keep college students out. They do still manage to follow other cars in and park to avoid parking costs at the college, but only a few do it. Our gates do not have personnel. The gates do come at a cost, as some stupid folk try to drive in the wrong way when they can't get in and will damage the gate, causing high costs for repair. Average cost probably between 2 to 5K per year for 2 gates. Our property was originally built as a gated community. I will say though that crime is not much of an issue here. I know a lot of my neighbors and none of them have ever complained about crime. Or maybe it's because there isn't much crime in our area? But cars do just follow in other cars that do have the opener/access. So I don't believe the gates keep out those that really want to get in. I will say though that the walking gates are also locked, requiring a key for access. That helps too.
Have you met with you local police force? Establish a relationship with them, it will make a difference. They will up patrol, make recommendations. It is worth a try.
Thank you all for input.
The majority of our issues have been thefts of cars and or car wheels. Little of much else, that we know of. We have talked with the Police and their suggestion is a neighborhood watch. Problem is, getting co-owners on board with that.
Streets are already private, per our Association guidelines of being a site-condo (COA), basically single family homes in an Association. Not sure on how it differs from a HOA.
From what is being said, two major drawbacks are costs (initial and upkeep) and deliveries.
Without starting a new thread in the blog..
What about security cameras? Do any of you have them set up? Advantages or dis-advantages??
For you Crime Watch be careful who does the watching. Check the murder of young man by the crime watch monitor in Sanford Florida. Being a community you might be libel.
If you are having a number of theft it sounds like a good ideal. The expense and upkeep is a big though.I like the ideal to met with local police. You can establish a watch committee.
Gates are usually both good and bad. If unmanned, there will be broken gate arms as some drivers will attempt to slip in behind other cars, or drivers will go too fast or slow. Once broken, there is effectively no gate. Cameras are fine but DVRs have limited storage & require maintenance, IP feeds, etc. Most cameras can also be easily disabled with a towel or piece of tape. Penalties for unauthorized entries are difficult to enforce, as not all drivers can be easily viewed with cameras, and people sometimes drive vehicles that are not their own, license plate photos are not always that helpful either, as they prove nothing with regard to who is in the vehicle.
We setteled on a system with a reader device on owner vehicles that was mounted on the windshield. When we used codes that needed to be entered at the gate, they became a joke & were readily available at the local high school, despite rules to the contrary in the CC&Rs.
I suggest you define what you are hoping to accomplish with the gates, then lower your expectations. There are definately trade offs. Emergency vehicles cannot be impeded. If the goal is not to have anyone who is not authorized in the community, legit vendors needing access to homes that may actually be unoccupied at the time of the visit, teen guests with multiple friends in the neighborhood and other scenarios create situations that are far from seamless. Cyclists and pedestrians create other scenarios that leave much to be desired from a security standpoint. That said, cameras and gates may discourage petty criminals and reduce area traffic to a great extent.
Wow, kinda surprised at the negativity from this post! We are gated and wouldn't have it any other way! Granted, we are just one 26-unit building and we have no streets involved, but it is well worth it to us. Our garage gate mechanism was replaced 5 years ago and we have had nearly zero maintenance costs on it (we have routine service once a year and that costs about $250). Our new front entry system (which was less than $2,000!) works with cell phones so you can grant access to a delivery person even if you are not on the property. And because we're gated, packages are safely left at your door. We are very strict about doors never being propped open and we have very little problems with that (likely because we're only 26 units and we're only one bldg). So while this would be more complicated for a larger complex, our residents and our property are very secure and, in our 22 years since the complex was built, we have had zero car thefts from our gated garage. And given that San Diego is the car theft capital of the world (because of the nearby border with Mexico), that's really remarkable! And, of course, the bonus benefit - not solicitors at your door! Good luck!
Bette Cessna, Sunset Views HOA, San Diego
Our area goes through cycles of roving theives. The PD usually can predict who the perps are by when they are released from jail (which is also in the vicinity). Our gates don't impede their progess and the homeowners have failed to participate in a community watch group. The board wanted to place cameras in strategic outdoor areas but found that to be costly and in demand of constant attention. We did, however, mount cameras in the common areas like the cabana, pool area and front gate entrance. Boy, did that cut down vandalism and idiots who like to use their cars to push open the gates. It was a dramatic change so I recommend cameras if you have nasty homeowners who like to "get even" by vandalizing common area assets. The cameras, high speed bumps, and vigilence have also cut way down on speeding cars (another ongoing problem). I feel for you. It is hard to sleep at night when you feel vulnerable to thieves.
Just wanted to say thanks for the great info on this subject! Our association is/was also considering installing gates because of crime problems and to keep people from the apartment complex accross the street (we share a common access road) from cutting thru our property). One thing we were advised not to do is put up fake cameras and/or put up a sign that we do have cameras when we don't. I have a feeling it might be just too expensive since we would need 4 gates including parking areas.
Betty- would you happen to know what your approx initial costs was for the gate?
I have always lived in gated communities since I moved out of the country and into/near a city. I highly recommend it! In my opinion it keeps out your basic rif raf. Keep in mind though if someone really wants to get in they will find a way. But at least it keeps your community private and when things are unusual you notice it more because of the presence that is set with the gate and fence.
It comes down to safety vs. cost. It will probably be safer but the cost over all will be rather high. If you at least get a really good gate system at the beginning you could save money on gate operations. Toronto
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I think many people would enjoy and appreciate living in a gated community. You would need to look at how much it cost for fence installation, though. Depending on the size and everything, it can get pricey. Weigh the pros and cons to decide what would be best.
Shelly Slader | http://www.leadersfence.com
What do you expect to accomplish?
1. you are trying to open the gate and your battery is dead
2. Will not stop from being robbed of items in car.
3. Gate broke and can't get in
4. How do you expect deliveries.
5. Control gets stolen when shopping.
I have a gated pool, and I love the privacy. I assume it would be the same with a house. Getting those fences would give you plenty of alone time.
I would recommend putting up a fence around the entire community. Turning yourself into a gated community could be really costly though. A nice high fence could help provide a safer atmosphere. http://www.braccifence.com
Fences help with security. Gated communities help reduce criminal activity. However, it's kind of difficult for visitors.
I'll admit, I love living in a gated community. My wife and I have been there for 5 years. We do miss taking care of our own lawn like we used to though.
Talmage Dangerfield | http://www.everlastingfence.com
One drawback to putting a fence around the community is that you either need a system or person to open the gate for people when the come into the complex. My brother lives in a gated community and it's really difficult to get into the area when it's late at night or early in the morning. This is inconvenient if any of your tenants travel and arrive home at these times.
Claudia Rosenburg | http://www.everlastingfence.com
I think that there are more advantages than disadvantages to fencing a community. You have more control over who enters your community. And safety definitely goes up. http://www.lynxfence.com
I think it really is up to you. There are benefits of living in a gated community. I enjoy having that sense of security every night when I go to sleep.
Edmond Vandergraff | http://www.braccifence.com
I do agree with some of these posts, it will need to be well thought out. I can see both sides to why it would be good and why it wouldn't. I personally think that it would be a good idea.
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I have lived thru both non-gate and gated. And approx. 20 years of both. I find that the pro and cons would be equal. The main point is do you feel safer, then go for it.
We recently moved into a gated community and I love it. The gates are kept open during the day and close at 9pm at which point you need a remote or a key code to enter. The roadside areas have aluminum fencing and the back of the community, which backs up to a neighborhood park has chain link fencing. I like that the chain link does not obstruct our view from the back yard, I can easily keep an eye on my kids if they are at the play ground. http://www.qualitychainlinkfencing.ca/services.html
Living in a gated community provides for a lot more privacy. I personally enjoy living in a place where cars can't come barreling through at 8 mph. It just really makes me feel better about letting my kids play outside. http://www.landmarkfence.com
It sounds like the streets will probably be your biggest expense. In a gated community, you will be responsible for the maintenance and upkeep of the streets within the walls. It sounds like you simply want a fence to stop crime. Rather than turning the condos into a gated community, simply built a fence and install more security measures.
Jenn | http://www.americansecuredfence.com
I have never actually lived in a gated community before, but have always thought it would be nice. I wonder how long it would take to put a fence up all of the way around the entire condo complex. I personally don't think it would be worth it to do all of that extra work. http://www.securityfencesystems.com/commercial.php
My grandma used to live in a gated community. It was really nice because she had a big fence that ran behind her condo. Whenever it would get damaged the HOA would pay for someone to come out and repair it. http://www.braccifence.com
Fencing an entire community like that has both pros and cons. It does make things safer, but that much fencing can be expensive. If the balance is worth it (raised fees and dues), then go ahead and fence it off. Just make sure you know what you're getting into.
Marc | http://www.pacificfence.com/
If you really want to turn your condos into a gated community, then I don't think deliveries are going to be a problem. There are plenty of delivery companies you could authorize to come through the gates, and you could give your code out to those companies. I'm sure it would be much less of a problem than some people are thinking. http://www.ccdeliveries.com/
If you do decide to turn it into a gated community you'd better get a strong iron fence to put around it. You either have to go all of the way, or don't do anything. I've seen some gated communities that wanted half of the community to have a fence around it, and no one really respected the fact that it was even a private community. http://www.odi-tampa.com/aboutus.html
Living in a gated community can be really nice, if everyone respects the rules. You're going to need a great fencing company to put in that much fence though. Having a fence all of the way around your entire complex can take a while to put in. http://www.securityfencesystems.com/commercial.php
I disagree with Jennifer. The deliveries could be a major problem. It seem dangerous to give the codes out to multiple companies, and it defeats the purpose of security. A gated community will cause a lot of problems no matter what the delivery is. It's not worth the inconvenience. http://www.baystatefueloil.com/services.php
I agree with Tony on this one, putting up that much square footage of fence all at once can take quite a while. I hope that you are able to get the whole project done at one time. It would be really a pain to have a gated community that is only halfway gated in. http://www.leadersfence.com
I can agree that putting up fences can be one of the hardest jobs that there is. Once you start putting a fence all of the way around the whole community, make sure that you have enough resources to finish the job. You won't regret living in a gated community though, it is so much more quiet. http://www.outdoorfence.com/residential/residential-fencing/
You have to realize that putting up a wooden fence is usually a bit more work, but they still look great. I don't know if you are planning on putting up a fence around the entire community or just a gate at each of the entrances though. But I can agree that living in a gated community is so nice, and makes you feel so much more secure. http://www.citywidefence.com/fences_cedar.php
Fenced communities can add an extra level of comfort to your living space. I like the peace of mind that comes with the security. It makes me feel safe.
Jim Tracy | http://www.citywidefence.com/fences_vinyl.php
I would definitely recommend a fenced community. It allows a sense of security in the neighborhood. I know if has cut down the traffic of the boys in my neighborhood through my yard. http://www.rent-a-fence.com/
I think you might be able to get thefts to go down, but that's a lot of money to install a fence. I think you could prioritize what you decide to fence, like the pool or something, would be a good idea. I don't think it would decrease the thefts by much. http://www.poolfencephoenix.com/products
I think it might be annoying to have the whole condo community gated off. That means you need to get someone to man the gate, and if anyone in the condo area wanted visitors it would be a problem. I think a gates more of a hassle than it's worth. http://www.holmanfence.com
I think the only thing you should gate is your pool. It really makes sense to put a fence around it. You wouldn't want any accidents. Personally I don't think a fence would stop people from robbing the condos. http://www.ccpoolfencing.com.au
Vinyl fencing looks beautiful in all kinds of yards and with all kinds of landscaping. My husband and I just bought a house and I would love to have some vinyl fencing in my yard! We just have to decide which color would look best with the color scheme of our new house, there are so many options! http://www.alliedfencetampa.com/vinyl.php
Fences are helpful for many reasons. Security is a major reason to install a fence. It can help with theft, but also give you more privacy when you are in the backyard. I am a person with a lot of pets so a fence is also helpful to keep the pets close and still be able to run around when they are not on a leash. I think there are far more advantages than disadvantages.
Jane Abbott | http://www.djfencellc.com/services.html
We have both security fence and cameras. The crooks still come in and the security camera is great catching the owners who do not obey the rules and regulations
I think that is a great idea because it allows privacy. On top of privacy it makes your yard look better in my opinion. One thing that will keep you safe from burglars is having a dog within that fence because in my experience with door to door sales I always avoided houses with gated yards and big dogs. http://www.pacificfence.com/
I wouldn't want a gate around the entire community, but I would like one leading to my driveway. I think that it would look really nice, and it would make a lot more sense. Those gated communities really aren't that hard for just anyone to get into. http://www.automatedgateservices.com